Winchester 296 Vs H110Scout WC820(a surplus powder) is the same, for all pratical purposes, as Winchester 296 and H-110. That was actually why I stopped using it after burning the first couple pounds. with medium- to heavy-weight bullets. Now Hodgdon says they are the same. Hodgdon H110 is identical to Winchester 296; it is simply sold under a different label. With larger powder charges you'll have to swirl the powder to get it into the case, and that's the major limitation of Lil'Gun with lighter bullets - the case just won't hold as much of a charge as it could tolerate and maximum velocity suffers. Mike Daly Customer Satisfaction Manager The Hodgdon Family of Fine. Any deviation between them is going to be lot related, and very minimal. Most have reported it will not work for pistol systems either). Reduce H110 and Winchester 296 loads 3% and work up from there. It shows a comparison between Winchester, Hodgdon, IMR, Accurate, Alliant, VihtaVuori, Ramshot, and Norma powders. H110 and Winchester 296 is the label on the container. I ordered some Winchester 296. The W-296 used to be a tad slower than H-110 but not anymore. They sell both Win 296 and H110. In fact you may like it better than H-110/W-296. Even back when we had nothing to do with Winchester Propellants, H110 and 296 were the same powder. They sell both Win 296 and H110. And alot of reloading data is based on older data. There are 4 other pairs of powder like that in their line up Win 296 = H110 Win 231 = HP38 Win 760 = H414 Win 541 = HS6 Win 570 = HS7. Win 296 is a ball powder and H110 is not a ball powder. In fact you may like it better than H-110/W-296. using H-110 & 296 from Hodgdon's web site: http://www. I can shoot a ragged hole with H110, never did get that kind of. St marks ( General Dynamics) in Florida is the actual manufacture. com/PDF/Hodgdon Basic Manual. But will it perform safely and reliably in smaller- capacity cartridges, such as the. Most have reported it will not work for pistol systems either) H110 (subs and supers, however may not function some carbine systems with subs. It likely was different at one time but not today. An ideal solution for loading 357 Magnum, 44 Magnum, and even 410-bore shotshell ammunition, its high. The loads produced the same velocity within a few FPS. I ordered some Winchester 296. 4 gr starting load, which seems more reasonable for W296/H110. First of all H110 is one of the WW296 powders. As CCC pointed out, Hodgdon now owns IMR and WInchester, and 296 is H110 rebranded under the Winchester name. I personally do not care much for H110 or W296 (same powder, 2 different labels) and would opt for 2400 if i needed a magnum class load, but if loaded properly they can be superb powders. DO NOT REDUCE H110 LOADS BY MORE THAN 3%. Reply Save Like JWSmith1959 ·#9 ·Dec 1, 2020 Add to quote Share Only show this user The Hodgdon site shows the exact same load for both Rifle and Handgun. See less See more Guns? I don't own any of those. (Note H110 & W296 are the same as of 2008 as is HP-38 & W231) (IMR 4227 is same as H-4227 if made in Australia) 110 grain JHP (Jacketed Hollow Point) 125 grain Lead RNFP (. It shows a comparison between Winchester, Hodgdon, IMR, Accurate, Alliant, VihtaVuori, Ramshot, and Norma powders. It falls into what I think of as the fast end of a medium burn rate pistol powder, ranked at position No. Little Gun is a "faster" burning powder. 296 is the label on the can. There are 4 other pairs of powder like that in their line up Win 296 = H110 Win 231 = HP38 Win 760 = H414 Win 541 = HS6 Win 570 = HS7. Winchester 748: Accurate 2015 Hodgdon Benchmark Hodgdon BL-C(2) Hodgdon CFE 223. Silhouette shooters claim it is the most accurate 44 powder they have ever used. My understanding is that 296/H110 needs a full case for proper burn characteristics. Winchester 296 is also recommended for 410-bore AA loads. W296 and H110 are not just practically the same powder, they are one and the same powder. Nothing but Winchester 209 primers for me. H110 and Winchester 296 if reduced too much will cause inconsistent ignition. Mike Daly Customer Satisfaction Manager The Hodgdon Family of Fine Propellants Hodgdon Smokeless Powders Winchester Legendary Propellants IMR Propellants Pyrodex Triple Seven Goex Black Powder Click to expand See more Reply Save Like C clayflingythingy. Mike Daly Customer Satisfaction Manager The Hodgdon Family of Fine Propellants Hodgdon Smokeless Powders Winchester Legendary Propellants IMR Propellants Pyrodex Triple Seven Goex Black Powder Judging by the tone, I was not the first one to ask him this. Due to the lack of available smokeless powder. 99 Hodgdon Hodgdon Hi-Skor 700-X $28. The W296 showed more consistancy in velocity than the H110. H110 and 296 today are the same powder in a different wrapper. W296 is the same powder as H110. Win 296 is a ball powder and H110 is not a ball powder. The powder mills made much more of it than was ever needed for military purposes and it found its way into handloading. Marks Powder, I believe, which is owned by General. The slow burning pistol powders like Hodgdon H110 and H4227, Winchester 296, and Hercules 2400 are best for maximum loads,. H-110 and W-296 were slightly different until Hodgdon became the supplier for both. Winchester 296 is a ball powder developed for large handgun loads. 50 AE can be found on the Handgun Cartridge Page. shouldnt make a difference in small bar vs large bar, but, I can tell you, H110 made. Yes, most of those operate in the same pressure neighborhood as the 10mm, but pressure limit is only one. Hands down, accuracy is a definite advantage with H110/296, in both 44 amg and. 358″) 125 grain JHP or JSP (Jacketed Hollow or Soft Point) * use magnum primers (standard is OK) 135 grain LRNFP (lead) 135 grain Speer Gold Dot HP. An ideal solution for loading 357 Magnum, 44 Magnum, and even 410-bore shotshell ammunition, its high loading density provides optimal velocity. W296 is very similar to what the factory uses in the AA target loads, hence it fits in the hull very well. 22 - 250 Remington: Accurate 2700 Accurate 4064 Hodgdon CFE 223 Hodgdon H380 Hodgdon. Posted: 5/7/2021 10:13:23 PM EDT [#17] Posted: 5/8/2021 8:08:23 AM EDT [#18]. Throw in lot-to-lot variability too and you have your answer as to the reason for the slightly different charge weights. 6gr max Nothing says a reloading manual can not set their own minimum and maximum powder charges as long. Same thing for Win 231 and HP38. using H-110 & 296 from Hodgdon's web site: http://www. Hands down, accuracy is a definite advantage with H110/296, in both 44 amg and. The only difference between H110 and 296 is the label. it turns out with somewhat different burning rates. pdf Same amount of powder, same velocity, same pressure. 45 Colt loads using Winchester 296 so I got out my books and the best I can tell the powder range for a. I have never used them always Winchester 296. I can shoot a ragged hole with H110, never did get that kind of accuracy with Lil Gun from rifle of revolver. H110 and Winchester 296 is the label on the container. So save a couple of bucks and get the H-110. You can only get limited velocity before pressures get too high, and A-410 is death on AA HS cases. Again General dynamics is the manufacture. H110/w296 is a great powder but it tends to cause problems at the blast cone of this particular pistol. It's also used in 30 carbine and. This is why you always work up to a max load with a new lot number. Winchester 296/Hogdon H110 is a powder which cannot and must not be used for light metallic cartridge loads! It is suitable only for full power magnum handgun loads and. Now, I have checked and double checked Hodgdon's site and it has the exact same recipe with the. 25 reviews Winchester 296 is a ball powder developed for large handgun loads. H110 and 296 today are the same powder in a different wrapper. Accurate Arms data available on-line. 99 Ramshot Ramshot Silhouette $30. 45 Colt loadings, and it's exactly the same powder as H110. The powder has a characteristic of incomplete burning at reduced density loadings. H110 H110 is the spherical powder that screams “no wimps, please!”, delivering top velocities with great accuracy in 44 Magnum, 454 Casull, 475 Linebaugh and the 460 and 500 S&W magnums. H110 needs MAG primers and a healthy crimp. 0 2071 Win 296 (Winchester) 20. Taking the Hornady manual max load of 16. Need to get a load developed right away and several hundred rounds downrange so I feel comfortable with it this fall in grizzly country. It may have been produced prior to Hodgdon's acquisition of Winchester's powders because velocities were a bit lower than the same load with modern H110. So the Max for W296 ( @ 1540 fps) is less than the min for H110 (@1460) !! Is Nosler Wrong or are these two different Powders ? I have a few pounds of 296 and their mid load of 14. I have never used H110 but always heard good about it for the 110 grain FMJ. Hodgen payed for the development and owns the formula for Little Gun. The information was later included in an article on handloading the. 1 grain of powder can make a HUGE difference as well as the primer. Some powder from the bulk lot goes into cans with H110 labels and some gets a Winchester label. H110 and Winchester 296 is the label on the container. You cannot beat Winchester 296 (Hodgdon H110 is same powder and a bit less cost). 0 2036 Win 296 (Winchester) 14. Powder Burning Rate Chart The powders below are listed in the order of their approximate burning rate, from the quickest powder to the slowest. Marks WC296 (WC stands for Western Canon and not Winchester Cartridge or Winchester Company, as some suppose, even though Olin owned it for a time). Now, I have checked and double checked Hodgdon's site and it has the exact same recipe with the exact same components and the exact same amounts of powder with the exact same pressures and velocities using anyone of these two powders. Winchester 296 is a ball powder developed for large handgun loads. H110 and Winchester 296 is the label on the container. H110 is marketed under Hodgdon's own name and WW296 is marketed under the Winchester name. When WW296 is packed for reloader sales, it is one burning rate that has been established. Also, as pointed out, 296/H110 is a magnum powder, completely unsuitable for any. I haven't tried W296 with 300 Blackout because of that experience. W296 and H110 are not just practically the same powder, they are one and the same powder. I am not trying to overload on purpose but Ive read much conflicting data with heavy bullets and H110/W296. A Hodgdon tech told me it was actually Hodgdon that came out with H110 first. 22 PPC-USA: Hodgdon H322: Hodgdon Benchmark. 22 - 250 Remington: Accurate 2700 Hodgdon H110 Winchester 296: Accurate 1680 Alliant Powder 2400 Hodgdon Lil'Gun Improved Military Rifle IMR 4227 VihtaVuori N110. 1822 Views 9 Replies 8 Participants Last post by clayflingythingy, May 8, 2014. H110/296 work great in magnum revolver cartridges. htm?t=54318 Reply Save Like unclenick ·#5 ·Feb 6, 2009 Add to quote Share Only show this user. Select your cartridge type from the drop-down list. The powder is made in bulk in the only ball powder plant in North America. So save a couple of bucks and get the H-110. Hands down, accuracy is a definite advantage with H110/296, in both 44 amg and. Mike Daly Customer Satisfaction Manager The Hodgdon Family of Fine Propellants Hodgdon Smokeless Powders Winchester Legendary Propellants IMR Propellants Pyrodex Triple Seven Goex Black Powder Click to expand See more Reply. 9 is not available, nor the H110 which I have wanted to try. H110 yields a less extreme pressure spike and is more subjected to effects in cold weather. H110 and Winchester 296 if reduced too much will cause inconsistent ignition. The loading data matches Hodgdon's statement that the 2 powders are the same. 296/H110 is a great. Click to expand I’ve pressure tested /chronoed the h110/hw13 shot 28gauge load. 31 on Hodgdon’s burn rate chart. Some powder from the bulk lot goes into cans with H110 labels and some gets a Winchester label. A-410 is not a good trade off for H-110/W-296. Like mentioned, use a magnum primer with magnum powders and do not reduce H1110/Win 296 below recommended start loads. Yes, W296/H110 (same powder) requires a magnum primer in order to achieve full ignition. Mike Daly Customer Satisfaction Manager The Hodgdon Family of Fine Propellants Hodgdon Smokeless Powders Winchester Legendary Propellants IMR Propellants Pyrodex Triple Seven Goex Black Powder Judging by the tone, I was not the first one to ask him this. Back then they were close, but different, powders, and sometimes there was an accuracy difference. The W-296 used to be a tad slower than H-110 but not anymore. I hope that you are getting complete burning of your powder consistently at the 13. It shows a comparison between Winchester, Hodgdon, IMR, Accurate, Alliant, VihtaVuori, Ramshot, and Norma powders. This all may have changed by now though. W296 is also viable for reloading. Go with published loads and you are Golden, The. While subsonic loads are technically possible with W296, you should avoid them because it is too easy to reach dangerous overpressure levels with this powder. I used my hopper with the large powder bar because it was previously set for 24gr of 748 so I figured better to adjust from 24gr down to 21gr of H110 for 44 mag instead of getting my hopper with the small bar set at 5gr for Unique and adjusting it open for 21gr. ) back when we were dealing with the big shortages, so I decided to try CCI-500's as a substitute. Find what you need in four easy steps. H110 and Winchester 296 is the label on the container. W296 is slow burning and needs a case full to ensure complete ignition. Thanks PGohil WV Jager Gold $$ Contributor Aug 9, 2021 #2. At the time, late 80s, H110 had enough more loose graphite dust compared to Win 296 that that measure would gum up and not throw smoothly or consistently with H110 but worked fine with Win 296 so I mostly went with 296 when I could get it. 45 Colt loads using Winchester 296 so I got out my books and the best I can tell the powder range for a. I bought a can of 300MP only powder I could find at the time. Load manuals treat them differently as. A-410 is not a good trade off for H-110/W-296. W296 is suppose to be what comes off the top (grade A) and H110 is from the same batch but not quite at Olin standards (grade B) and hodgdon buys this from. Even back when we had nothing to do with Winchester Propellants, H110 and 296 were the same powder. 99 Ramshot Ramshot X-Terminator $32. Regarding H110/W296, I think H110 was originally developed for the 30 carbine round during WW2. This may cause severe personal injury or death to users or bystanders. W296 and H110 are not just practically the same powder, they are one and the same powder. I did a simple ladder test and wanted some input. H110 is the spherical powder that screams "no wimps, please!", delivering top velocities with great accuracy in 44 Magnum, 454 Casull, 475 Linebaugh and the 460 and 500 S&W magnums. A-410 is not a good trade off for H-110/W-296. I use Winchester 296 for all of my heaviest. H-110 is what I use now and it is very similar to 296. using H-110 & 296 from Hodgdon's web site: http://www. If you don't believe that ask Hodgdon. Identical products sold under different brand. The only difference between H-110 and Win. As with most magnum handgun cartridges, Winchester 296 and Hodgdon H110 are the powders of choice for top performance. Winchester Smokeless Propellants, a brand licensed to Hodgdon Powder Co. The same loads can be used in the Desert Eagle pistol with a velocity loss of about 26 and 38 fps respectively. I have used them interchangeably in my 357 magnum loads and cannot see a difference. 5 grains in my 3 M1 carbines with a happy overall for all involved. There was a time when 296 and H110 were different. Also, if you look at the data on their website you will see that in most cases the powder charges and velocities listed for both are the same. When to a store next day i bought 2 cans 296. Both are rebranded canister grade versions of St. I like the Remington SP-410 wad for old style and HS Winchester AA's. When fired the W296 loads required the use of the ejector on the revolver while the H110 loads simply fell out. As a powder, 110/296 has a well-earned and well-known reputation for being unforgiving. 0 grains being a popular charge of W296/H110 with a 110 jacketed round nose bullet. H110 and Win 296 are one and the same powder. I have also heard H-110 and W296 are the same. The 10mm does not have the powder capacity to make good use of H110. Reduce H110 and Winchester 296 loads 3% and work up from there. I can shoot a ragged hole with H110, never did get that kind of accuracy with Lil Gun from rifle of revolver. 7 maximum providing an approximate velocity of 1050 to 1300fps respectively. Winchester 296 is also recommended for 410-bore AA loads. Note: A complete article about the. 9 is not available, nor the H110 which I have wanted to try. Edit: It sounds like you aren't familiar with H110; be advised, it's a bit of an odd duck. Measuring pressure in CUPS is the old way and has been replaced by PSI, but you still see CUPS in much of the load data. I have also heard H-110 and W296 are the same thing. Great powder for the heaviest. H110 in the old style (silver lettering) and 14. Lot numbers may have played a part as well. It's most suited for full-case charges in the. Only powder I could find locally was 410 4 pd keg and a can of 300MP. I looked them up in the National Crime powder database and they do indeed appear to be very similar chemically. Winchester 296. I've used WW-296 powder in reloading my. 6644 Views 17 Replies 8 Participants Last post by GilaMonster, Nov 25, 2001. I was looking to load up to some stiff. The loads produced the same velocity. I just finished up an old 3 lb. 218 Bee: Alliant Powder 2400 Hodgdon CFE BLK. They and Alliant Power Pro 300-MP are spherical powders with similar slow burn rates. Powder Burning Rate Chart The powders below are. Marks WC296 (WC stands for Western Canon and not Winchester Cartridge or Winchester Company, as some. When i recently bought my first 44 mag revolver, I went to my local reloading supplier and H-110 was $24. Re: 44 mag 300 gr xtp using W296 or H110 Mid length raging bull, One of the reasons I enjoy reloading is to stray from plain jane factory loads & pushing the envelope is fun & scientific. An ideal solution for loading 357 Magnum, 44 Magnum, and even 410-bore shotshell ammunition, its high loading density provides optimal. w296 and h110 are (the exact same) blended powders. Just my experience with the two powders in a different caliber. , introduced the new WinClean 244 double-based handgun powder in 2018, announcing that it was developed for medium handgun loads. Hodgdon H110 Winchester 296 IMR SR-4759 VihtaVuori N120 Accurate 5744 IMR 4227 Hodgdon H4227 Accurate 1680 Winchester 680 Norma N-200 VihtaVuori N1333 Accurate 20158R Hodgdon H4198 IMR 4198 Alliant RL-7 IMR 3031 Norma N-201 RamShot X Terminator Hodgdon H322 RamShot TAC Accurate 2230 Winchester 748 Hodgdon BL-C (2) Accurate 2460 Hodgdon H335. I have heard the same thing, that H110 and W296 are the same. Some of my favorite loads: Zastava Mini Mauser:. As the previous posters have mentioned, it's a ball powder that's often used in magnum pistol cartridges. H110/W296 are very slow burners as far as handgun powders are concerned and require the case to be filled and heavy crimps to burn right. Winchester 296 is a ball powder developed for large handgun loads. I see loads for bullets that haven't even been made for many years. H110 and W296 have always been the same powder with different names. 357 has not given me specific problems with it, but you need a truly firm crimp and magnum primers. Scout WC820(a surplus powder) is the same, for all pratical purposes, as Winchester 296 and H-110. -1 pound (and only 1 pound) of Winchester 296 ball powder -Lee Precision dies for 30 Carbine (3-die set, gently used) Most re-loading manuals seem to recommend 13. H4831 is listed at the slow end of the burn-rate chart. During a visit to the Olin powder factory years ago, I learned that W296 and H110 were the same powder. Re: 44 mag 300 gr xtp using W296 or H110 Mid length raging bull, One of the reasons I enjoy reloading is to stray from plain jane factory loads & pushing the envelope is fun & scientific. 357 for a very long time but the Speer #14 says slow burning powders operate most efficiently at relatively high pressures and cautions against light loads. 3 gr is 1530 fps which is higher than the H110 max at 1490 fps. In some cases it will lodge a bullet in the barrel, causing a hazardous situation (Barrel Obstruction). H110/296 work great in magnum revolver cartridges. H110 and Win 296 is the most common magnum loads for. (Emphasis Hodgdon) See more Reply Save Like gary gruber. Only powder I had left was 1 can 296 and 1 can 300MP. H110 and Winchester 296 loads should not be reduced more than 3%. Use jacketed bullets for all loads approaching or exceeding 1000 fps to minimize barrel leading. Winchester 296 “rifle” vs “Handgun” I love H110/296 in full power loads for my handguns but find 2400 more versitile so keep more of that onhand. 452 300gr Hornady XTP Mag using W296 is 17. 300 Blackout, although it is best suited for supersonic loads only. About 32 years ago I was on the 44 mag wagon and about wore out two pistols. Keep load levels close to the maximum charges listed with. The Hodgdon Website list min/max at 15. Yes, most of those operate in the same pressure neighborhood as the 10mm, but pressure limit is only one part of powder selection. Winchester 296 $38. I am not trying to overload on purpose but Ive read much conflicting data with heavy bullets and H110/W296. This is an older thread, you may not receive a response, and could be reviving an old thread. The only difference between H110 and 296 is the label. 22 Remington Jet Magnum: Alliant Powder 2400 Hodgdon H110 Improved Military Rifle IMR 4227 Winchester 296: Hodgdon H110 Hodgdon H4227. I have never used H110 but always heard good about it for the 110 grain FMJ. WW 296 sold to Hodgdon,with various burning speeds, it is mixed by Hodgdon and may vary lot to lot. Hodgdon H110 Improved Military Rifle IMR 4227 Winchester 296: Hodgdon H110 Hodgdon H4227. W296 (subs and supers, however may not function some carbine systems with subs. Just like beer is mixed for the same flavor from batch to batch, retail powders are mixed for the same characteristics from lot to lot. Win 296 is a ball powder and H110 is not a ball powder. When fired the W296 loads required the use of the ejector on the revolver while the H110 loads simply fell out. The only difference is the lot to lot variation. H-110 and W-296 were slightly different until Hodgdon became the supplier for both. H110 and Winchester 296 loads should not be reduced more than 3%. As he stated, 300 MP is the better way to go. Go with published loads and you are Golden, The powder can do strange things when shot below the recommended threshold and the company is telling you that. My H110 loads in 300 Blackout work as advertised. Load manuals treat them differently as there are still supplies ofold W-296 out there. DO NOT REDUCE H110 LOADS BY MORE THAN 3%. Winchester followed suit, buying it from the same source (St. Then select your bullet weight, powder manufacturer and powder type. Load manuals treat them differently as there are still supplies ofold W-296 out there. 25 reviews Winchester 296 is a ball powder developed for large handgun loads. The name H110 was chosen by Hodgdon because it suggests it is for the 110-grain bullets used in.